Understanding Suffering: A Biblical Perspective

The Wednesday Evening Service at Middletown Baptist Church on April 16, 2025, led by Pastor Josh Massaro, delves into the profound and often troubling questions surrounding divine sovereignty and human suffering. Pastor Massaro introduces the series by addressing the pivotal inquiry: why does God allow suffering, particularly to those deemed innocent? He acknowledges that many congregants grapple with the implications of such suffering, which challenges their faith and understanding of a benevolent deity. Throughout the discourse, he emphasizes the importance of knowing God's character, asserting that while answers may be elusive, God’s inherent goodness and love are unwavering truths that believers can hold onto in times of distress. The pastor articulates that the struggle to reconcile suffering with faith is a common human experience and encourages parishioners to approach God with their doubts and questions, framing this as an act of trust rather than rebellion. He proposes that understanding God’s transcendent nature and His eternal purposes provides believers with a foundation for faith during turbulent times, guiding them toward spiritual resilience and peace.
Takeaways:
- In this episode, we delve into the nature of suffering and the theological questions that arise from it, specifically addressing why God allows bad things to happen to good people.
- Pastor Josh emphasizes the importance of understanding God's character as inherently good, which can provide comfort even amidst painful circumstances in our lives.
- We explore the biblical context for questioning God, asserting that it is permissible to seek understanding while maintaining reverence for His sovereignty.
- The discussion includes insights from Psalm 13, illustrating how lament can be a vital aspect of our relationship with God during times of confusion and pain.
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00:00 - None
00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast
00:25 - Understanding God's Character and Our Questions
10:12 - Understanding God's Nature: His Goodness and Omnipotence
19:31 - Understanding Suffering Through Scripture
23:07 - The Language of Lament: Understanding Our Pain
33:27 - Transitioning from Questioning to Asking God
40:04 - Understanding Suffering and Divine Providence
Hello and welcome to the Middletown Baptist Church podcast, where we are proclaiming the truth to the world.
Speaker AMy name is Pastor Josh, and I want to thank you for listening to this podcast.
Speaker AI hope that this podcast can be a blessing to you and strengthen you in the word of God.
Speaker ANow, come along, let's look into the Bible and see what God has for us here today.
Speaker AAll right, let's go ahead and read.
Speaker AGet ready to start a new answer to a question tonight.
Speaker AAnd this is actually a really broad question, but we're going to narrow it down for the next few weeks.
Speaker ASo if you have not been with us, what we've been doing for, I would say, the last month or so, as we've been studying different questions that have been posed to the.
Speaker AThe church here and posed from you guys, you guys have asked some questions, and though we haven't answered them specifically exactly word for word, and we've tried to address the.
Speaker AThe thought behind it.
Speaker AAnd the last three weeks we were talking about who is Satan.
Speaker AAnd again, that's kind of a strange thing to talk about within church.
Speaker ABut we do need to know who our enemy is.
Speaker AWe need to know where he's come from, what he's about, what he's doing, and how we can fight against him.
Speaker AAnd so if you were not here for those, you can refer back to either our YouTube page or our Facebook or our podcast, and you can look at those three things.
Speaker AAnd I think it was a very helpful study, at least for me, and I hope that it could be a helpful study for you.
Speaker ASo what we're going to address here for the next so many weeks, I don't know how many weeks, depending on how much we get accomplished here tonight and next week, is the idea of why does God do.
Speaker AAnd then fill in the blank, or why does God allow.
Speaker AAnd a lot of times people will ask questions like this, why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?
Speaker AOkay, that's a common question.
Speaker AIt's called theologically, the question of suffering.
Speaker AThere's a lot of people that say I can't come to God or I can't believe in him if he allows an innocent child to die of cancer.
Speaker AThat's a tough one, right?
Speaker AWhy did God allow my family member to die?
Speaker AWhy did God allow this to happen in my life?
Speaker AReal questions.
Speaker AAnd so a lot of times at church, we try to stray away from those questions.
Speaker AWell, let's just not talk about it.
Speaker AThe truth is, is that those questions do come up in our minds and they might even plague our minds with doubt.
Speaker AAnd we might not know how to answer that question to someone who asked that.
Speaker AOkay, so another question that could be asked is this, why does God allow good things to happen to bad people?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThat's another question that we could ask them.
Speaker AI, I look at the people around me, and they're bad people, but they seem to be the ones making the money.
Speaker AThey seem to be the ones holding the power.
Speaker AWhy does God allow that to happen to bad people?
Speaker AWell, we're going to talk about that, and we're going to see what the Bible has to say about that.
Speaker AAnd so I, I think that some of us might have even heard in the past, you're not allowed to question God.
Speaker AI don't think that that's theologically true.
Speaker AAnd we're going to talk a lot about that.
Speaker AWe're going to talk about how there's a proper way to ask God a question.
Speaker ANow, God is not responsible for giving us an answer.
Speaker AHe doesn't have to give us an answer.
Speaker AAnd we're going to talk about that.
Speaker AGod has the full freedom and the power and the right to basically tell us.
Speaker AI'm not going to give you an answer.
Speaker AAnd we're going to talk about that.
Speaker AWe're going to talk about how we as Christians can dive deeper into knowing God and knowing his character so that we can get to a place in our life where there's peace and comfort in getting an answer of basically, you're not allowed to know.
Speaker AAnd some of you might say, that's not fair.
Speaker AI'm supposed to know everything.
Speaker ANo, we are not owed anything.
Speaker AAnd, and Job actually is going to talk a little bit about that.
Speaker AWe're going to dive deep into some of the things that Job asked God about.
Speaker AAnd if you don't know the story of Job, we'll get there.
Speaker ASo I would say for the next three to four weeks, we're going to talk about how we can properly and biblically ask questions to God with the right spirit and the right heart.
Speaker ANow, now it is wrong to question God in his character.
Speaker AIt is wrong to question God in his goodness, in his holiness.
Speaker AAnd so he.
Speaker AYou, you might have heard people say, well, I don't believe in God because I think he's evil, because he allowed this to happen.
Speaker AThey're already coming in with that question with a preconceived notion.
Speaker AThey're coming in with a statement basically saying that God is not good.
Speaker AAnd so I believe that is wrong because that's basically saying something about God that is not true.
Speaker AAnd so tonight, what I would like us to do is kind of frame the context to the idea of asking questions to God and doing it in a biblical manner.
Speaker AAnd so it might be just that you have a question, you might say, God, why did you allow this to happen to me 10 years ago, 20 years ago?
Speaker AWhy are you allowing this to happen to me right now?
Speaker AWhy did you let this action happen?
Speaker AHow, how did this play out in your grand plan?
Speaker AAnd we might find in Scripture that there, there will be an answer.
Speaker AMaybe you went through this pain or you went through this difficulty, or someone else went through that so that God would be glorified by the gospel being presented.
Speaker ABut for some of us through this study, there's going to be this very difficult answer.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker ABut I believe it's biblical that we have to give.
Speaker AAnd it's this.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker AI don't know why God did this.
Speaker ABut I know that he is good.
Speaker AI know that he is perfect.
Speaker AI know that he loves me.
Speaker AAnd so I think a good place to start when it comes to asking questions to God is what do we already know about Him?
Speaker AWhat do we already know about Him?
Speaker AInstead of going about this in the concept of at this time in my life when I've got this question, this is how I'm feeling.
Speaker ASo therefore, that's where I'm going to be based in.
Speaker AIf we're based in our feelings, it's going to lead us down a really bad path.
Speaker AIf I'm based in my confusion, or I'm based in my sadness, or I'm based in my anger, then I'm going to allow myself to get to a place that's not healthy when I ask these questions to God.
Speaker ABut what I must do is I must go back to what I know about Him.
Speaker ASo I don't allow this pain, this confusion to dictate my truth.
Speaker AMy truth comes from what I know about God.
Speaker AHow do we know about God?
Speaker AThrough His Word.
Speaker AAnd so we're going to start there.
Speaker ASo what does the Word of God say about this topic?
Speaker AOne thing I do think we should go to is Isaiah, chapter 55.
Speaker AThis is a good place to start when it comes to asking questions about why God does what he does.
Speaker ANow, sometimes in Scripture, God very clearly explains why he does things.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker ASo why did God send Jesus to this earth to die for our sins?
Speaker AThere's a very famous verse.
Speaker AThey sometimes at football games, they even hold it up.
Speaker AThere was a guy who played football that wore it on his eye.
Speaker ABlack John 3:16.
Speaker AWhy did God send Jesus to this world to die for us?
Speaker AFor God so loved the world.
Speaker ASo God told us why.
Speaker AHe sent Jesus because He loves us.
Speaker AOkay, so that's a very clear explanation of why God did what he did.
Speaker AHe sent Jesus.
Speaker AHe sent his only begotten Son because He loves us.
Speaker AOkay, why did we need a Savior?
Speaker AFor the wages of sin is death.
Speaker ASo if God loves us, he doesn't want us to be in our sin.
Speaker AHe doesn't want us to go to hell.
Speaker AHe doesn't want us to be separated from Him.
Speaker ASo therefore he extended a path for us to know him and to love him and to serve him and to ultimately be with him one day.
Speaker AAnd so we know the reason why God sent His Son.
Speaker AHe loves us and he cares for us.
Speaker AWe need a Savior because of our sin.
Speaker AThe Bible says that sin separates us from God.
Speaker ASo I want you to see Isaiah 55, verse 8 and 9.
Speaker ASo though sometimes God does explain things to us and give us very clear direction, he says this in Isaiah 55, verses 8 and 9, it says this, for my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
Speaker AGod says, I don't think the way that you think, the way that you work.
Speaker AI don't work that way.
Speaker AAnd so it's important for us to understand that we are not God.
Speaker AWe do not think like God.
Speaker AWe cannot think like God.
Speaker AUltimately, God is above us.
Speaker AHe's with us.
Speaker AAnd I'm going to teach you a couple different big words here this evening.
Speaker AGod is what we would call transcendent, meaning he transcends our world.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AHe's beyond us.
Speaker AHe's beyond time.
Speaker AHe's beyond space.
Speaker AHe.
Speaker AHe is.
Speaker AHe is beyond our limitations.
Speaker AWe are all limited, but God is not limited.
Speaker ABut also God is what we would call imminent or personal.
Speaker AHe's a personal God and He wants to know us and he wants to love us.
Speaker AAnd so in some ways God is personal and he identifies with us in, in the idea that we, we can love and we can.
Speaker AWe can have pain.
Speaker AAnd we know that God has all of those things and seen in Jesus Christ.
Speaker AWe know that Jesus went through all the struggles that we went through, but yet without sin.
Speaker AThat's the difference.
Speaker ABut he says, I don't think the way that you think.
Speaker AVerse 8.
Speaker AFor my thoughts are not your thoughts.
Speaker AThen he goes on to say verse 9.
Speaker AFor as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Speaker AAnd so clearly here we see that God's infinite thoughts are greater than our limited ability to comprehend them.
Speaker AOkay, so what is he basically saying there?
Speaker AHe's saying there in a very fancy way.
Speaker AYou cannot comprehend the way that I think.
Speaker AYou cannot in many ways understand why I'm doing what I'm doing.
Speaker ASome of you that have had children can to a limited degree understand that concept, right?
Speaker AI, I, I would have my 2 year old child there sitting there.
Speaker AAnd how many of you ever tried to reason with a two year old when they're not in a good mood?
Speaker AOkay, some of you said, I try to reason with a teenager and it's still a hard thing to do.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ASo it's the idea that sometimes my thoughts, my reasoning is not going to be able to be comprehended by my child because he or she does not understand at that very moment why dad is not allowing them to do that.
Speaker AAll they can know is that I'm not getting, I want right now, therefore dad must be mad at me.
Speaker ANo, but dad understands a bigger picture and that's a very small and limited way to think about it.
Speaker ABut think about it in an infinite level.
Speaker AGod loves us enough to know what's best for us.
Speaker ATherefore he's going to allow things to happen to us or not happen to us that are for our good and ultimately for his good.
Speaker AAnd so we think about Isaiah 55 and we got to go back to that because there's going to be some things that as believers we cannot understand.
Speaker AWe will never understand.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker ABecause God's thoughts are above our thoughts.
Speaker ABut I also want you to see something else.
Speaker AAnd some of you maybe even have this verse memorized.
Speaker ABut Psalm 100, verse 5, I want you to see another thing that we need to know about God.
Speaker ABecause yes, God's ways are above our ways.
Speaker ABut God will always make the right decision.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker ABecause in his character he is good.
Speaker ANot, not just He's a good person.
Speaker AOkay, if I, if I was to walk around tonight and go up to each one of you and get to know you better, I would probably say, unless, you know, there's another reason not to say this.
Speaker AI would say, well, that person's a good person.
Speaker AThey're nice, they're kind, they're patient.
Speaker AGod is not just a good person.
Speaker AHe's not just good in things that he does.
Speaker AThe Bible says that his character, his essence, he is good, he is holy, he is just, he is perfect.
Speaker AAnd so Psalm 100, obviously, you know, Psalm 100 is, is a praise of Thanksgiving to God for his character.
Speaker AAnd at the very end he says this.
Speaker AFor the Lord is good, his mercy is everlasting, and his truth endureth to all generations.
Speaker ASo, so what can we learn about that?
Speaker AGod is good, perfectly good.
Speaker AThat word good means complete, holy, set aside, sanctified.
Speaker AHe is good, his mercy is everlasting.
Speaker ASo therefore he's merciful to us.
Speaker ABut that mercy is never ending.
Speaker ASo, so God is an eternal being.
Speaker AHe's eternal forever.
Speaker AHis goodness is forever, his character is forever.
Speaker AThen it says his truth endure through all generations.
Speaker AAnd so his truth, the Bible says that he is truth, he is love, he is goodness, he is holiness.
Speaker AAnd that endures to all generations.
Speaker AAnd so what do we know so far?
Speaker AGod is above us and God is good.
Speaker AI will say another thing though that we've already talked about John 3, but there are many other passages of scripture I could point to so many here.
Speaker AI could speak of John 3:16.
Speaker AI could talk about Romans, chapter 5, verse 8.
Speaker AFor God commendeth His love towards us and that while we are yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Speaker AWe could talk about first John, chapter two.
Speaker ABehold what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God.
Speaker ASo one of the things we have to understand is that God is good.
Speaker ASo he's above us, he's perfectly holy and he loves us.
Speaker AThat's that imminence, that's that personal nature of God.
Speaker ABecause sometimes what we think about God is that, that he is sitting up in his throne and he's separated from us.
Speaker AYes, he's all powerful, but he's disconnected.
Speaker AAnd there's actually a lot of people throughout history, even today, that believe in a very, very belief system called deism.
Speaker AOkay, Deism means that there is an existence of God, but He's separate from us.
Speaker AHe basically put the world into motion and stepped away and doesn't really want to be personal with his creation.
Speaker AAnd there are a lot of people that believe that.
Speaker AAnd so a lot of people think that God is a God that's similar to the Greek God Zeus and all these different gods that you see maybe on a movie or you've read in a book that are separate and immoral and all about themselves.
Speaker ANo, the Bible says that God is above us, but he's perfectly good and he loves us and he wants a relationship with us.
Speaker AOkay, now I say all that to go a little bit further, right?
Speaker ASo he loves us.
Speaker ASo what has he done?
Speaker AHe sent his only begotten Son, so That we could have everlasting life.
Speaker AAnd then I want to read a verse for you in Romans chapter 8.
Speaker ASome of you have heard this verse before.
Speaker AAnd, and I want you to understand the context of Romans chapter 8.
Speaker ARomans chapter 8 is a passage of scripture that is speaking to the believer's confidence in having a relationship with God.
Speaker ASo, so the promises that are in Romans chapter eight are not for everybody.
Speaker AYou say, what does that mean?
Speaker AWell, it means that if there, if you are not a believer in Jesus Christ, you are not a child of God.
Speaker AThis promise that we're about to hear is not for you say, well, that's kind of exclusive.
Speaker AThe gospel is exclusive.
Speaker AThe gospel is narrow.
Speaker AOkay, so some people, how many of you don't raise your hand because I don't want to embarrass you, but how many of you have been told that you are narrow minded?
Speaker AI've been told very, a lot of times I'm narrow minded in many ways.
Speaker ASome people are.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AOkay, and, and so I gotta work on that narrow mindedness when it comes to things outside of scripture.
Speaker ABut when it comes to scripture, I want to be narrow minded.
Speaker AOkay, I will take that moniker.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ANarrow minded means this.
Speaker AJesus is the way.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AThere's no other way.
Speaker AAnd so when we look at Romans chapter 8, to look at Romans chapter 8 from the perspective of all, all of the world is receiving these promises.
Speaker AWell, only if they come to Christ in faith.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AWhy do we know that?
Speaker ABecause Romans chapter 8, verse 1.
Speaker ARemember, context is key.
Speaker AContext is key.
Speaker AAnd so it says here, there is therefore now no condemnation.
Speaker AWe've talked about this before when we were talking about guilt and sin.
Speaker ACondemnation means judgment or punishment.
Speaker AThere is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Speaker ASo we know through context that this passage of scripture is speaking to those that are in Christ Jesus.
Speaker AThese are the promises of God.
Speaker AAnd we get to Romans chapter 8, verse 28, and we hear a lot of people quote this verse when people are going through struggles.
Speaker AAnd I would say when, when someone is going through a struggle.
Speaker AThis verse is a good verse to quote.
Speaker ABut understand in context that it might be without other passages of scripture.
Speaker AA very hard verse for someone to hear.
Speaker AOkay, so for example, and I'm just going to be real here tonight, let's say you have a family member that passes away and that breaks your heart.
Speaker AMaybe it's a spouse, maybe it's a loved one.
Speaker AYou know, unfortunately, you know, we have people that, that are Going to pass on.
Speaker AAnd, and the Bible speaks of the fact that as a believer, we don't have to sorrow like other people sorrow because we have the hope of everlasting life.
Speaker ABut I would be careful to walk up to somebody who has just lost a loved one and say, well, hey, look, I'm going to quote Romans chapter 8, verse 28 for you because everything's going to work together for good because of this.
Speaker AWell, one, that, that, that is a, a, I would say, not speaking the truth in love for that very moment.
Speaker ANow, do we need to get there?
Speaker AYes, we need to get there, but we need to talk about the whole picture of this also.
Speaker AAnother misapplication of Romans chapter 8, verse 28 would be, you go to a non believer, okay?
Speaker ASomeone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ and they're going through pain and suffering.
Speaker AHey, look, everything.
Speaker AGod's working everything for your good.
Speaker ANo, he's not.
Speaker AHe's not.
Speaker AHe's not working everything for the good of the unbeliever, right?
Speaker AHe's.
Speaker AHe's.
Speaker AHe's working out judgment upon them until they come to Christ.
Speaker AAnd so there's the offer of the gift of grace.
Speaker ABut that is not a child of God.
Speaker AIf someone is outside of Jesus Christ, that is not a child of God.
Speaker ATherefore they cannot claim this promise.
Speaker ABut let's go to Romans chapter 8, verse 28.
Speaker AIt says, and we know that word no means confidence.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AWe can be sure about this.
Speaker AWe know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to his purpose.
Speaker ANow, I've heard some people quote this, and I want to be careful here because I don't want to read into the passage here, but I've heard some people quote this and they say it this way, and we know that all things work together for good.
Speaker AAnd they stop there and they go, actually, it's for his good and not our good.
Speaker AI don't believe that that's what this verse is talking about.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AIt doesn't say that.
Speaker AIt says work together for good.
Speaker AThe good of who?
Speaker AWell, it could be the good of God, but in the context of what we're talking about, we're talking about the believer, we're talking about their life.
Speaker AAnd so it is for the good.
Speaker AIt is for the good of the believer.
Speaker ANow you would say, why would it be good that I'm going through this pain and suffering?
Speaker ABecause we have to think about it from the eternal perspective, okay?
Speaker ANow is it right that God is working out all Things for his good.
Speaker AI believe that is the case.
Speaker ABut I also do believe that God is working all things for our good as well.
Speaker ABecause if we're believers, he cares about our future.
Speaker AHe cares about our life.
Speaker AI, I don't, I don't look at my children go, I love my children so much that I want them to suffer so that, that, that I can look good.
Speaker ANow you would say, well, does God?
Speaker AI thought that's what God does.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker AGod allows the individual to go through difficulty so that they can be strengthened, so that ultimately they can give him glory.
Speaker AUltimately, they can give him glory.
Speaker ABut God doesn't torture his children.
Speaker AI don't believe that.
Speaker AI, I, I don't see in Scripture where God on purpose tortures his children.
Speaker AHe does allow his children to go through struggles.
Speaker AHe does allow his children to go through difficulties in times of, of questioning, in times of doubt.
Speaker ABut yet the Bible teaches us that is for, for teaching, that is for growing.
Speaker AAnd I don't think God is, is, is the author of evil.
Speaker AI know that he's not the author of evil.
Speaker AWe know that he's the author of good.
Speaker ATherefore, we know that God allows difficulties to happen, but he is not the causer of evil in this world.
Speaker AAnd so we have to go back and we have to think about that when we talk about Romans chapter 8.
Speaker ABut, but the point I'm trying to make here is this.
Speaker AGod is working all things together for good.
Speaker ANow you would say, maybe how is this problem that I'm facing or this loss that I've had work together for good?
Speaker AWell, I want you to see a couple things about why God allows difficulty and in the fact that that difficulty is going to work for our Blessing.
Speaker ARomans chapter 5.
Speaker ARomans chapter 5.
Speaker AYou were in Romans chapter 8.
Speaker AGo back a little bit.
Speaker AI, I think that these are difficult things because a lot of times this is not the message that is being preached.
Speaker ABecause a lot of times the, the problem of suffering is the problem that we want to avoid.
Speaker ABut why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?
Speaker AWhy does God allow good things to happen to bad people?
Speaker AWell, let's look at it here.
Speaker AIn Romans chapter five, he says, therefore, being justified by faith.
Speaker AAgain, disclaimer, you have to be saved.
Speaker AWe have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker AAnd he goes on to talk about the access that we have in faith into this grace where we stand and rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.
Speaker AAnd then it says, and not only so, but we glory in tribulations.
Speaker AAlso knowing that tribulation worketh patience.
Speaker ATribulation will be a trial or a test.
Speaker AWorketh patience and patience experience and experience hope.
Speaker AAnd hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost, which is given unto us.
Speaker ASo ultimately, what is the good that we have as a Christian?
Speaker AWell, if everything is good in my life, when it comes to my work, my.
Speaker AMy body, my family, then that's proof that God loves me.
Speaker ABut what happens when you're not healthy?
Speaker AWhat happens when work isn't good?
Speaker AWell, then God must not love me.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker AGo back to what we know.
Speaker AWhat do we know?
Speaker AGod loves me.
Speaker ABut, but again, what does the Bible say about his love for God so loved the world that he made all of His Christians rich?
Speaker AI didn't hear that in Scripture.
Speaker AIt didn't say that.
Speaker AWhat does it say?
Speaker AFor God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo the way that we know God's love and the way that we know God's good and the way that we know God's hope is through salvation and knowing that we have everlasting life.
Speaker ASo that if in this world I go through struggles, that's okay, because I'm living for something more.
Speaker AI'm living for the eternal.
Speaker AI'm living for my destination.
Speaker AAnd my destination is an eternal life with him in heaven.
Speaker AAnd so it's that picture of knowing that there's something greater.
Speaker AAnd that's how we can escape the pain of this world.
Speaker ANow, it doesn't remove pain when we lose someone, or it doesn't remove pain when we.
Speaker AWhen we go through a trial.
Speaker ABut what it does teach us is that this pain is only temporary.
Speaker AThat, that, that this.
Speaker AThat this hopelessness is not eternal.
Speaker AAnd, and I would encourage you to think about the idea of what hope really is.
Speaker AHope is not just guessing and, and wishing that God is going to take care of me through this.
Speaker AHope is saying, God, I know what yout've said, and I know youw're going to keep your word.
Speaker ASo I have confidence that you will do that.
Speaker AI have confidence that you are going to give me my eternal destination.
Speaker ATherefore, I'm going to trust in youn through this difficult thing.
Speaker ASo I want you to go to a passage of scripture.
Speaker AIt's actually Psalm 13.
Speaker AAnd I want you to go to a passage of Scripture here that I believe teaches us how to ask God why, Biblically speaking.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ANow, I've given you that preference that, that preface there, that context to go back to know, like the basics of the theology of suffering.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AThat we're going through pain, but ultimately it's for eternal focus and not the temporary focus.
Speaker AGod is good.
Speaker AAnd the moment that we start, we start to question God's goodness is the moment that we've fallen into the place of sin.
Speaker ABecause the trial is not necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker AA trial is a test on whether or not we're going to trust God or we're going to turn away from what we know about Him.
Speaker AAnd so these are the things that I want to think about.
Speaker ABut let's go to Psalm 13.
Speaker AWe could have looked at so many different passages of scripture.
Speaker AThis is actually considered a psalm of lament.
Speaker ALament.
Speaker AI, I, I've heard it said this way.
Speaker ALament is the language of pain.
Speaker AGod doesn't in scripture, I don't believe God says that we should not feel pain.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AWe know that Jesus felt pain, does so, so how can we express our pain?
Speaker AWell, some people express their pain through anger.
Speaker ASome people express their pain through hurting somebody else.
Speaker AYou ever heard someone say hurt people, hurt people?
Speaker AIt's a true statement.
Speaker AWhen people are hurt and in pain, they want other people to be in pain.
Speaker AMaybe they don't even know that they're doing that.
Speaker ABut that's a natural response, is I'm going to bring someone else down with me.
Speaker ASo, so there's that.
Speaker AAnd what's another response to pain?
Speaker AWell, it could be rejection or rebellion or, or bitterness or hard heartedness.
Speaker AIt could be a lot of different things.
Speaker AOr pain could drive us to faith, pain can drive us to reliance.
Speaker APain can drive us to, dare I say, as we will see here, worship.
Speaker AAnd we're going to see here in Psalm 13, the, I would think one of the many examples of scripture how we can biblically come to God and say, lord, I don't understand you.
Speaker AI don't get it.
Speaker AI actually don't agree with what you did, but I will come back to you.
Speaker AAnd so let's, let's see where it starts.
Speaker AIt starts with a question, an authentic question, a real question.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AEver had someone ask you a question but you know that they didn't really want an answer?
Speaker AIt was a question to basically lead their statement.
Speaker AOr maybe it was a leading question and they were basically stating something in their question.
Speaker AWell, this is a question, I believe that's authentic.
Speaker AHow long?
Speaker AVerse 1.
Speaker AHow long wilt thou forget me, O Lord?
Speaker AThis is the psalmist David and he's basically telling God, I feel like you have forgotten me?
Speaker AHow long will you forget me?
Speaker ANow we know that God has not forgotten him.
Speaker AAnd by the way, I want to tell you that there are passages of scripture, Hebrews chapter 13, for example, that says that God's never going to leave us nor forsake us.
Speaker AAnd so does David know that God has forgotten about him?
Speaker ANo, because we know that God has not forgotten about David.
Speaker ABut does David feel like God has forgotten about him?
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AAnd maybe some of us at some points in our life feel like God has forgotten about us.
Speaker AI'm going to tell you that you might feel that, but he has not forgotten you.
Speaker ABiblically speaking, he has not forgotten you, even though it might feel that way.
Speaker ASo, so.
Speaker ASo David here, the psalmist, is expressing his feelings, so to speak.
Speaker AHe says, how long wilt thou forget me, oh Lord?
Speaker AForever?
Speaker AIt's like, really, is this going to be forever?
Speaker AIs this.
Speaker AIs this how I'm going to have to live my life forever?
Speaker AFeeling neglected, feeling alone, feeling hopeless?
Speaker AHow long will thou hide thy face from me?
Speaker ASo he's stating his circumstance, his circumstances.
Speaker AI feel alone.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker AAnd David.
Speaker AHow could David feel alone?
Speaker AHe was the king.
Speaker AOkay, well, in this case, we know that David went through ups and downs in his life.
Speaker AThere were times where David was being chased by.
Speaker ABy Saul.
Speaker AThere was times when David was away from the Lord.
Speaker AThere was times when David was in his throne, when he was doing the right thing.
Speaker ADavid was, at different points of his life, obviously powerful.
Speaker ABut we know that we can be in a group of thousands of people but still feel alone because of our struggle that we're facing.
Speaker ASo David feels alone.
Speaker AVerse 2.
Speaker AHow long shall I take counsel in my soul, having sorrow in my heart daily?
Speaker ASo we see that this is something that David's dealing with daily.
Speaker AHe says, man, this is.
Speaker AThis is happening to me all the time.
Speaker AHow long shall mine enemy be exalted over me?
Speaker ADavid's question is this.
Speaker AWhy does it seem like my enemy is the one winning?
Speaker AWhy does it seem like everybody else around me is getting what they want and I'm not getting anything?
Speaker AIt's a good question to ask.
Speaker AI think it's a question that we've all probably asked at some point in our life.
Speaker AThere's an answer to that later on in Scripture.
Speaker AWe do deal with that question, which we're going to get to later on in the study.
Speaker AVerse 3.
Speaker AHe says, Consider and hear me, O Lord, my God.
Speaker ASo what is he doing here?
Speaker AWhat is.
Speaker AWhat is David doing?
Speaker ADavid is praying.
Speaker AHe's asking God to consider him.
Speaker AHe's asking God to hear him.
Speaker ALighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death.
Speaker AWe would say, man, David's really in a dark place right here.
Speaker AAnd he is.
Speaker ABut he's asking God to open his eyes.
Speaker AHe's asking God to.
Speaker AFor a renewal of his spirit.
Speaker AHe's asking God for renewal of his mind.
Speaker AHe says, lord, bring me back to that place.
Speaker ABring me back to revival.
Speaker ABring me back to joy.
Speaker AVerse 4.
Speaker ALet mine enemies say I have prevailed against him.
Speaker AOr says, excuse me, Verse four, Less mine enemy.
Speaker ASo he's saying basically this.
Speaker ADon't allow my enemy to think that he has the victory over my God, over.
Speaker AOver me, and ultimately the testimony of the power of God in my life.
Speaker AAnd he says, and those that trouble me rejoice when I am moved.
Speaker ABut then we see him shift.
Speaker AThis is.
Speaker AThis is interesting.
Speaker AThis is the right way to go because we.
Speaker AWe share with God our problems.
Speaker AAnd then we recognize that only God is the one who can fix that problem.
Speaker AAnd then what does he do?
Speaker AHe worships.
Speaker ABut I have trusted in thy mercy.
Speaker AHe goes back to what he knows.
Speaker ARemember, God is merciful.
Speaker AHis mercy is everlasting.
Speaker AHis mercies are new every morning.
Speaker AHis.
Speaker AHe goes back to what he knows about God.
Speaker AIt's God's mercy.
Speaker AIt's God's grace.
Speaker ASo what does that look like for me?
Speaker APractically, it looks like this.
Speaker AWhen I'm going through a struggle and I don't feel like God cares or I don't feel like God has done the right thing, I have to go back to what I know and proclaim that truth and believe that truth.
Speaker AI don't think there's power in just saying a word like I've heard people say, you know, even if you don't believe, just say the word and it'll eventually catch on.
Speaker AGod knows our heart.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AYou can say what you want before God.
Speaker AHe.
Speaker AHe.
Speaker AHe's not interested in what you say.
Speaker AHe's interested in what your heart is saying.
Speaker AAnd so if you're saying out loud, lord, I know you're good, but in your heart you're going, I don't think that you're good.
Speaker AThen he knows that it's.
Speaker AYou know, I always go back to my kids.
Speaker AYou know, my kids can obey me outwardly, but inwardly they could be upset with me, you know, and, and, and we want our children to obey us on the outside and on the inside.
Speaker AAnd it's the same thing with God.
Speaker AGod wants our heart.
Speaker AHe always wants our heart.
Speaker AAnd so David's heart turns to mercy.
Speaker AHe turns to God's goodness.
Speaker AHe says, my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation.
Speaker ASo what does David do here?
Speaker AIt's very simple.
Speaker AHe goes back to the core of his relationship with God, his salvation.
Speaker AInstead of looking at, well, my enemies have lost, or I don't feel alone anymore, he goes back to what he knows about his relationship with God.
Speaker AHe goes back to the beginning.
Speaker AThere was a.
Speaker AThere's a psalm that David's talking to God in, in repentance of his sin with Bathsheba.
Speaker AAnd he says.
Speaker AHe basically says, renew the joy of my salvation.
Speaker AGive me back the joy of my salvation.
Speaker ASome of us have, at periods of our life, because of a struggle or because of a doubt or because of a question, have been challenged in the joy of our salvation.
Speaker AWell, I'm going to heaven.
Speaker ABut you know what?
Speaker AI just have lost my joy in that.
Speaker ADavid is saying here, I want that revival.
Speaker AI want to rejoice in my salvation.
Speaker AI want to rejoice in my relationship with you.
Speaker ATake it all away from me as long as I have my relationship with you.
Speaker AThat is understanding the goodness of God.
Speaker AThat is understanding his love for us.
Speaker AAnd then he says, Verse 6, I will sing unto the Lord.
Speaker ASo he rejoices.
Speaker AHe goes from the beginning of.
Speaker AOf crying and in darkness and feeling lost to the place where he's going to worship God.
Speaker AHe's going to praise him.
Speaker AI will sing unto the Lord because he had dealt bountifully with me in a good way.
Speaker AHe goes back to what does he do?
Speaker AHere we singing a song.
Speaker ACount your many blessings and see what God has done.
Speaker AHe says, I'm going to go back to see what God has done in my life.
Speaker AI'm going to go back to knowing that he is good.
Speaker AI'm not going to be tempted to believe that he has not dealt with me.
Speaker AWell, I'm going to go back and look at all the times he has been faithful and know that he's going to continue to stay faithful.
Speaker AAnd that's what David does in the midst of that question.
Speaker AAnd his question was this.
Speaker AHow long will thou forget me, oh Lord?
Speaker ASo.
Speaker ASo your question might be, lord, why do I feel alone?
Speaker AWhy do I feel neglected?
Speaker AAnd if you truly ask God for wisdom in these areas, he will reveal to you why.
Speaker AAnd it might just be that it's an issue even in my own life, that I have caused division with him.
Speaker ABecause God does.
Speaker AIf he.
Speaker AIf we are his children, he does not turn his back against Us.
Speaker AWhat happens is that in our sin we have turned our backs against him, and therefore we have broken that relationship, not in the sense that we've lost our salvation, but we've broken that fellowship with him.
Speaker AAnd therefore we need to have that restored so we can go back to that.
Speaker AAnd so.
Speaker ASo here in Psalm 13, we see a psalm of lament.
Speaker AIt's a basic psalm, but it.
Speaker ABut it takes essentially a structure of.
Speaker AOf going through the point of understanding the hope of God.
Speaker ASo there's a questioning phase, okay, So I want you to think about it this way.
Speaker AThere's a questioning phase.
Speaker AIt is okay to question God with the right heart, with the right spirit, with the right context, with the right foundation.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker AWe're going to talk more about that.
Speaker AWe're going to talk about Job's questions.
Speaker AWe're going to talk about a couple of other prophets in the Old Testament and their.
Speaker AAnd their questions that they had for.
Speaker AFor God.
Speaker ABut they're.
Speaker ABut they're big questions with authenticity.
Speaker AWhat do I mean by that?
Speaker ABig questions meaning questions that matter.
Speaker AYou know, like, here's something trivial like, why did you make me late today, God?
Speaker AWhy'd you give me a bunch of red lights on the way to work?
Speaker AOkay, that's trivial.
Speaker ALike in the grand scheme of eternity, that's.
Speaker AI would say it's disrespectful to question God in that way.
Speaker AWhat I would say is that if they're big questions with an authentic heart, God is not going to reject you on those questions.
Speaker AI would say that there is.
Speaker AThere must be a place, though, that the questioning phase goes to an asking phase.
Speaker ASo, God, why did you do this?
Speaker AAnd then asking God for guidance and help in that.
Speaker AOkay, so that's exactly what happened in Psalm 13.
Speaker AHe was asking questions, and then he asked God, verse three, consider and hear me.
Speaker ASo it changed from questioning to asking God for something, praying, right?
Speaker AAnd so it would be one thing to question God and keep questioning God.
Speaker AIt's another thing to eventually transition from questioning to asking God for that help.
Speaker AThat's what we have to do.
Speaker AAnd then it goes from.
Speaker AIt transitions from the asking phase to the praising phase, the worship phase, okay?
Speaker AKnowing God is good, I'm going to praise him, I'm going to worship him.
Speaker AAnd I would.
Speaker AI would.
Speaker AIn my life, I would put it this way.
Speaker AAnd this is hard for many people to wrap their minds around, but I hope that you can understand what I mean by this.
Speaker AIt goes like this in my brain.
Speaker AI might not feel it right now.
Speaker ABut I believe it.
Speaker AI might not feel like you're here, but I believe that you're here.
Speaker AAnd I'm going to sit there.
Speaker AI'm going to trust in you in this.
Speaker AAnd for each of us, we might have questions for some tonight, it might be, why did God allow this person to be taken away from me?
Speaker AThat's a common one.
Speaker AWhy did God allow this to happen to me when I was a child?
Speaker AThat's a common one.
Speaker AYou could even go in a broader sense of like, why did God allow this thing to happen in the world?
Speaker ALike, okay, I was just listening to a video today.
Speaker AWhy did God allow World War II to happen in the Holocaust and all that?
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AOkay, there might be a point in our life where we say, I don't know, but I have to go back to, to who God is and what he has done and what we know about his character.
Speaker AAnd so, so what we're going to do in this series, this was just basically the starting place.
Speaker AOkay, we got to know these things before we go any further, because when, when we get to the next questions, we're going to get to a place in our life where we have to say, I'm okay with not knowing the answer to this, but I have to go back to what I know about God.
Speaker ASo, so next week we're going to talk about why.
Speaker AWhy does God allow bad things to happen to good people?
Speaker AOkay, common question, question of suffering.
Speaker AAnd then we're going to look at why does God allow good things to happen to bad people?
Speaker AThese are two questions that are asked in Scripture.
Speaker ADavid asked, why does.
Speaker AWhy do you allow good things to happen to bad people?
Speaker AOkay, that's a good question.
Speaker AI think, I think we all have thought about that.
Speaker AI've, I've thought about that.
Speaker AAnd actually that's a question that I, I pose when people do ask me, like, say, for example, someone comes into me and they say, you know, I'm a good person.
Speaker AWhy.
Speaker AWhy does God allow bad things to happen to me?
Speaker AAnd, and, and in, in love?
Speaker AMy question I want them to think about is this.
Speaker AAnd, and I think about this a lot.
Speaker AInstead of asking, why does God allow bad things to happen to a good person?
Speaker AKnowing that, theologically speaking, biblically speaking, there is none good.
Speaker ANo, not one that I am not.
Speaker AI don't deserve anything good in my life at all.
Speaker AAnd so the question would be then this.
Speaker AWhy does God allow bad things to happen to good people?
Speaker AOr you could say, why does God allow good things to happen to bad People, the good.
Speaker AThe best thing that God has ever allowed for us to have in our life is, is the gospel salvation.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker AAnd so I'm going to give you a little hint to all of these questions.
Speaker AThe answer is the gospel.
Speaker AThe answer to both is the gospel.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker AAnd we're going to talk about that, and we're going to dig deeper.
Speaker AAnd I want to give you some tools so that when you do come across someone that asks that question of, well, why did God allow, you know, the Holocaust?
Speaker AOr why did God allow this to happen?
Speaker AI think that what we need to do is we need to go deeper on the why behind that person asking that question.
Speaker AYou know, well, what happened to you?
Speaker AYou know, what's going on in your life?
Speaker ABecause a lot of times it is.
Speaker AA lot of times it is a real thing that people have in their questioning.
Speaker AAnd that real question, God will give real answers to.
Speaker ABut sometimes people are just.
Speaker AJust using that as an object to stop in their faith.
Speaker AAnd a lot of times people wouldn't believe even if we gave them an answer.
Speaker AThere's a lot of times people would not believe if Jesus came down right now in person.
Speaker AThere's going to be some people that don't believe.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker ABecause there's another level of pride and sin in their hearts that they're not willing to give into.
Speaker AAnd so we need to talk about those things.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker AAnd so, you know, this was pre.
Speaker AThis.
Speaker AThis whole question that we're dealing with was predicated upon a question that was asked, like, why did God.
Speaker AI think it was, why did God not take.
Speaker ALet me say, how was it worded?
Speaker AWhy did God not give Moses the gift of speech after he asked for it?
Speaker ALike he was, you know, he said, I can't speak.
Speaker AAnd why.
Speaker AWhy did God not do that?
Speaker AWhy did God not just give.
Speaker AWhy did God not bring Stephen back to life?
Speaker AThat, you know, one of the questions that I really want to ask, and I truly want to ask it, why did God not bring Stephen back to life, but he brought Uticus back to life, the one that fell asleep while he was, you know, in.
Speaker AIn the service.
Speaker AAnd then Stephen, the great martyr, the great.
Speaker AThe great deacon that was seeing visions of God, why didn't God not bring him back?
Speaker AThose are questions that we will never have answers for.
Speaker AYou know, why did God allow certain people to come along in his path?
Speaker AYou know, Judas.
Speaker AThe question of Judas, why did God allow that to happen?
Speaker AWell, some people believe that they have a reason for that.
Speaker AOther people believe that we don't.
Speaker AHave a reason.
Speaker ABut all we can say is that we can sit there and analyze.
Speaker ABut ultimately, God's ways are above our ways, and his thoughts are above our thoughts, and he's good.
Speaker AAnd we have to keep going, replaying that in our minds over and over and over again.
Speaker AAll right, well, I know that's a lot here this evening.
Speaker AI know that maybe, maybe you're like, well, now, Pastor, you just gave me more questions.
Speaker AThat's okay.
Speaker AThe truth is.
Speaker AThe truth is, is that I, I think that we have to come to a place in our life as believers and just be comfortable with saying, I don't know, I don't know now if it is this.
Speaker AOkay, well, you know, what book of the Bible talks about this.
Speaker AWe, we need to have answers.
Speaker AWe need to have answers.
Speaker ABut there's another time where intellectually we don't need to be prideful and say that we know what God was thinking.
Speaker ASometimes there's just like, I don't know, God's bigger than me.
Speaker AI trust in Him.
Speaker AThat shows faith.
Speaker AThat shows trust.
Speaker AIf I can understand every element of what God is doing, that, that, that's a scary thing.
Speaker ABecause if I can figure out every aspect of the mysterious ways of God, that means that maybe God's not bigger than we are, but we know that he's way bigger than we are.
Speaker ASo therefore, we cannot even scratch the surface to what God is doing and why he is doing what he is doing.
Speaker ASo we'll talk more about it.
Speaker ASo we'll come back next week and answer those two questions, and then we're going to talk about, um, really, some.
Speaker ASome bigger things.
Speaker AYou know, why?
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AYou know why.
Speaker AWhy does God allow Satan to continue on doing what he's doing?
Speaker AWhy doesn't God just save everybody?
Speaker AWhy doesn't God do this or do that?
Speaker AWe're going to talk all about that, and I hope that we leave with some answers.
Speaker ABut I hope we can live.
Speaker AI would say the, the biggest goal for me is not necessarily leave with answers as much as we leave with faith and leave with trust and leave with comfort and peace knowing that God is good.
Speaker AAnd so if you're going through a difficulty right now, I'm not.
Speaker AI want you to know God, I don't believe God is the author of that evil.
Speaker AI don't believe that God is the one who did that evil thing in your life.
Speaker ABut I do know that God allows things to happen for our good and for his good.
Speaker AAnd I don't understand it.
Speaker AI really.
Speaker AI want to sit here and tell you it.
Speaker AI really do.
Speaker AMy right now, my flesh is fighting against the spirit.
Speaker AThe flesh is telling me, give them an answer that makes sense to them.
Speaker AAnd the other side of it is the spirit.
Speaker AJust saying, I don't know.
Speaker ABut we gotta just trust in Him.
Speaker ASo let's do that.
Speaker AThank you again for listening to the Middletown Baptist Church Podcast.
Speaker AI hope that this sermon has been a blessing for you.
Speaker AIf you would like to find out more information about our church or this sermon, you can find us at middletownbaptistchurch.org or find us on Facebook or YouTube.
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Speaker AThank you so much.
Speaker AGod Bless.
Speaker AHave a wonderful day.